Quantum Mechanics theory on the nature of the Universe

[Orb Gettarr]

I read an article some time ago in Popular Science about the 'ring theory' of the nature of the Universe. Two physicists worked out the theory, which is supported by the mathematics, that the smallest unit or particle of 'reality' is actually a ring which is interlinked with other rings that literally make up 'the fabric of Reality' as we know it.

Any thoughts on this?

[Orb Gettarr]

I might be mistaken, but it is my understanding that the 4th dimension is time, or our perception of events in a linear fashion- which is all relative of course, as demonstrated by Einstein's 'Theory of Relativity' (E=mc squared) which states that the closer to c (or the speed of light) an object approaches, the more time would appear to 'slow down' and elongate, relative to its own immediate vicinity.

'Absolute' is a mental construct that, in reality, is a contradiction, and a fictional construct at that. What was considered 'absolute' truth in the 10th century, for example, is now known to be infantile fallacy based on xenophobia, tribalism, and a lack of understanding certain principles at work in the universe- although there have always been 'forward' thinking individuals who have grasped pieces of the 'puzzle' in gestalt.. like Archimedes, Galileo, and others...

The entrenched mindset of authority during those times, and persisting even to this day, crystallized on a preconceived set of 'rules' for reality, thus locking us into the 'dark ages' and the nearly autocratic rule of the harsh puritinism of the early Christian church system, whose credibility stood to be damaged by the developing scientific mind. Today we enjoy a level of free thought that is unprecedented, although this has not been without its own 'cost' in terms of what it has done to our environment. It is up to us to retrieve a level of balance, or it may be another 6 million years before intelligent consciousness is given another opportunity to forge into the 'mystery' and discover the 'secret gold' of the Mind..
zen punk said:

isn't our waking consciousness supposed to be 4th dimensional? [to wholly view 3 dimensions we must be viewing from a fourth, right?]
therefore, is it actually possible to view more than 3 dimensions from a 4th dimensional perspective [working on the idea that the fabric of reality is multidimensional -or- interdimensional] and would we be able to decipher any more than 3 dimensions even if we viewed them?.....like an ant viewing a human and attempting to work out it's dimensions and therefore, what it is.

am i being existentially nihilistic?

why do these ideas only induce more questions? and are more questions the answer?

[Steve Brand]

It's an interesting idea, isn't it Zen Punk? Any channeled material by Kryon, Seth (Jane Roberts), Ramtha, or the Pleiadian material (Barbara Marciniak) all talks about the idea that we are actually unlimited Being, having a limited experience. "Seth Speaks" was sort of were I began with this, or Seth's (Jane Roberts) "The Magical Approach." I can recommend these.

zen punk said:

"Perhaps we take in multi-dimensional information all the time, but fail to realize it." - that is certainly something i would like to 'know' more about...

[Orb Gettarr]

I believe you may find some insights here:

http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/psilocybin-solution/

It is very well-written and thought-provoking material by Simon G. Powell.

zen punk said:

"Perhaps we take in multi-dimensional information all the time, but fail to realize it." - that is certainly something i would like to 'know' more about...

[Seren]

Lots of interesting comments here.

I like something Einstein said - everything travels at the speed of light - meaning we do too, just most of our energy moves through time rather than space.

The comment re Don Juan reflects the perception that everything is alive and that human beings are not the pinnacle of evolution in the way that our modern scientific culture defines itself, there is a whole interesting paradigm shift in even trying to understand that one. Similarly our cultural perception of experiencing time as linear is not shared by everyone and there are traditions in which what we do now can affect the past.

The effect of looking at things with microscopes is based on the fact that if we try to look at particles (whether 'physical' matter or light) we have to use high energy particles to interact with it - a bit like seeing how heavy a car is by crashing another one into it at the speed of light and seeing how far it moves - the impact will tell us how much it weighed before it was hit, but not what condition it is in afterwards.

There are some very good books including Brian Greene's 'The Elegeant Universe'. It is not dense mathematics but still each time I read it I reach a point (usually a few pages on from the previous read) where I know I no longer have a clue what he is going on about.....

[Steve Brand]

There a very interesting twist to the idea of seeing human as the center of things. Most reasonable people reject the idea these days. For centuries, due to abuses of religion and science (and ignorance), we've seen ourselves at the center of all things. This has recked all sort of destruction and havoc. But, what if this were true, but still, the Divine were in everything, just as it is in us. What if we created everything...at the highest levels of Being. We made the first microorganism, then, not to be outdone, another one of us, created the microorganism that was bigger, more complex, and on and one through multi-celled beings, flowers, trees, fish, reptiles, mamals...the first human-like forms. All was endless joyful creativity. Now, here we stand, looking back at ourselves through each others eyes. Mirrors of Divinity.

[Seren]

Another modern re-perception is in the fractal stuff - I was told that the dark parts of the mandelbrot set are the same place, just seperated by space and that sort of feels like the mirrors of infinity you mention. everything sacred is the same thing, just in a different time and place - which bounces back to quantum mechanics in which everything was the same (non) space and time back at the point of the big bang.

[Orb Gettarr]

This opens up a whole 'can of worms' in itself- the 'big bang'- some scientists claim that the Universe is expanding and others claim that it is contracting. There are still others that postulate that at the center of our galaxy there is a huge black hole around which our galactic material is revolving.

It is my personal opinion that the Universe is both expanding and contracting at the same time. (Think about this before you label it as an oxymoron).

Here's another point to consider: Before the symbolic 'ingesting' (embracing of duality) of the fruit of the 'tree of knowledge of good and evil', we considered ourselves to be 'in the garden' (being in a state of un-manifest bliss) and everything was One. But Everything is still One, no matter how far we've gotten away from the personal realization of this fact, and we must come outside the duality of manifested existence in order to once again realize this, and get 'back to the garden' of experiencing the One-ness of all things.

It's my perception that the 'building blocks' of our Reality, are units of indestructible Energy, just as Einstein claimed, perhaps in the form of interlinked 'rings' like this thread has originally suggested, and what is Eternal Mind but Energy from the Unmanifest levels? We are self-perpetuating bio-engines capable of changing not only our own Reality, but the Reality of all the manifested "10,000 Things" in existence along-side us. The Universe is fractal, spiral and cyclic in nature, macro and micro, and life is a smorgasboard of chemical processes going on in a continuous unbroken chain that has existed since the "beginning".

But where is the "beginning" in a continuous unbroken cosmic Circle? We are, after all, Cosmic recycled material that has existed since time out-of-mind, since before "Time" as we know it now existed...
Seren said:

Another modern re-perception is in the fractal stuff - I was told that the dark parts of the mandelbrot set are the same place, just seperated by space and that sort of feels like the mirrors of infinity you mention. everything sacred is the same thing, just in a different time and place - which bounces back to quantum mechanics in which everything was the same (non) space and time back at the point of the big bang.